Here you go Pez... I told him good

Quote from: pop-tart;1931357I can see why this distresses you, Pez..

I can see why it does indeed.

Holy shit Hector Camacho was murdered? What the fuck

That LotR Clock game thing I abandoned had a Bilbal Baggins. Someone commission Nimoy to sing a Bilbal version

Less than a week!

I was just watching that part

err, I mean... I can't wait for the BluRay to come out..

Quote from: pop-tart;1931373I was just watching that part

Quote from: pop-tart;1931374err, I mean... I can't wait for the BluRay to come out..

You must have gotten an Australian copy since it's already out there, right? Right. Perfectly legal.

I think the snow in DKR is distracting... becuz, you know, it clearly isn't snow.


Gotta give them props tho for doing a winter scene in the summer. They musta been sweatin their asses off in those coats n shit..

Quote from: pop-tart;1931377I think the snow in DKR is distracting... becuz, you know, it clearly isn't snow.


Gotta give them props tho for doing a winter scene in the summer. They musta been sweatin their asses off in those coats n shit..

I was expecting more snow. I remember after TDK came out I told my friend that the next movie would probably take place in the winter and have a lot of really cool snow-heavy shots. I was right about the season, but I guess the logistics of shooting in the freezing cold with messy snow everywhere was probably too much of a pain.

Batman Returns had better snow.

As far as logistics.. Mark Hamill lost three toes fighting Wampas in Norway. Back when actors weren't prissies.

Quote from: pop-tart;1931380Batman Returns had better snow.

As far as logistics.. Mark Hamill lost three toes fighting Wampas in Norway. Back when actors weren't prissies.

What? Really?

I dunno.. sounded good though. lol

Quote from: pop-tart;1931382I dunno.. sounded good though. lol

Hahaha. You old goat, you.

Quote from: Slurpee;1931262yes but we needn't be pedantic in the service of pedantry.
 
I'll grant you that there are layers of complexity in human suspension of disbelief in entertaining fictional constructs. axiom cheerfully accepted.

the morrison quote I just posted, like dwayne mcduffy's Tommy Westphall Universe, is just a writer and ipso facto an entertainer's playful way of challenging readers to question the usefulness of the skeptical instinct when it begins to do more harm than good by interfering with enjoyment an otherwise good story. I was teasing the folks involved in the "why doesn't superman just solve everything" discussion. because it would be a bad, boring story, guys. he's not in this one, don't worry about him.

a superman story can be good, a batman story can be good, a world's finest story can be good. we needn't sacrifice one so that the other two can be enjoyed without niggling indescrepencies irrelevant to whichever story is at hand. continuity is meant to be nebulous. fiction is meant to be nebulous. we would lose the purity of theme and propensity for emotional impact without allowing some blank space. batman getting out of china makes no sense with a castle full of ninjas after him, but batman murdering a castle full of ninjas makes no sense given what we know about batman. so don't worry about the ninjas, or don't worry about how he got out of china thinking the ninjas would somehow not be a problem. you decide how your grandchild hears the story at bedtime, when you want him to better himself or learn not to fear the night. the point, at least in the context of the myth, is our hero returned home with the ninja skills to break up the mob without killing anybody, but his history with the ninjas came back to haunt him, and, after nearly dying and losing the decaying symbols of the prosperity of his parents, he rose up and fended off his demons. the point is what can we as receivers of this fiction take away from this story about a man who lost his parents to crime, who fended off a dark reflection of his own thirst for vengeance, who sacrificed normalcy to become something greater than himself, and... fought off the... scary bad guys? I'm tired.

people enjoyed x-men first class even though Hank McCoy appeared as fully human in X-2. I think that's proof enough that audiences are either wise enough to not care, or dumb enough to not think about it that much. good for them, I'm sure the dumb/wise are having a much better time and ultimately get much more from the stories they hear than killjoy the tightsphinctured aspie.


which is not to say that it's not a lot of fun (and for all I know equally or more constructive) to play with fictional constructs by questioning the nature their contents
just... be sure to have fun. don't forget the purpose of stories.

This is from a few pages back now, but I feel like I should reply.

One of the sure signs of a good story is engagement. When you get lost in a story, whatever medium, you are being engaged. There are many things that can break this engagement. When a character acts in a way that seems contrary to what you'd think. When the author's intent becomes too obvious. When there's a continuity error on film. And when the movie logic breaks down.

These all seem like little things that shouldn't affect our engagement. They seem like minor quibbles. But in my opinion, it's a sign of an investigative, active mind.

Every story sets up a sort of "universe" very early on in the story and it tells us what can and can't happen in the plot. Some stories' universes closely imitate real life whereas others set up their own, but what's important is that there are strong rules, so there can be strong conflicts.

Now there are two different ways you can scoff at movie scenes. The first is to complain when things happen in the movie that can't happen in real life. "Hey people can't fly, how is superman flying?" That's just being an asshole.

But if something happens in a story that breaks the mold of the set up universe and the viewer notices it, that's gonna break their engagement whether they like it or not, and if it's significant enough, the story will be weaker. And as an audience member I am perfectly justified to like the story less and bitch out the writer if my engagement is broken. That doesn't mean I WILL. It depends.

If we're talking about pure entertainment, then who gives a shit about all of this! I'm just in it for fun! But a good story really shouldn't have too many major logic breakers.

For your batman example, they could've achieved that theme without the ninja castle in the first place. Or they could just come up with a plot device!

And as for your X-men example, those are two different stories that aren't entirely cannon.

Honestly I think the superman writers really backed themselves into a corner (just like the old testament writers). I think a great example of a logically written omnipotent being is Dr. Manhattan.

Also, I think you'd like the movie Big Fish.

Also we might be looking at this from two different perspectives, because as an audience member you probably just want to have fun, but from a writer perspective I think that continuity, engagement, and logic breaks are very important to think about.

edit: A REALLY good example of setting up the universe is Kafka's Metamorphisis. He opens right up with "Gregor turned into a bug" and it works because its right in the beginning.

Good popst.

I really enjoyed Burton's interpretation of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

Mike Teavee would criticize any elements that defied real world logic and would be shut down quickly, often with a retort as simple as "mumbler!" by Willy Wonka.