2001: A Space Bore

CrustClock · May 05, 2008, 07:33:43 AM

Quote from: Biblo;1301359it definitely took a certain amount of inspiration from it yes.

eh ok... I know its a landmark film but I didn't think it directly influenced a new age of science fiction films like DillClock was saying. I can't think of any others that depict a future as realistic (rather than idealised/ dystopic) or feasible as 2001. I'd say Blade Runner was much more influential and was almost the opposite of it.

LeekClock · May 05, 2008, 08:10:02 AM

Quote from: CrustClock;1301423I can't think of any others that depict a future as realistic (rather than idealised/ dystopic) or feasible as 2001.

Star Wars ring a bell? The whole idea behind the realisation of the star wars universe was that it was meant to be lived-in. Space Odyssey just seems more believable because it was set in our own galaxy (and in the year 2001 ) - but Star Wars was made under a similar principle.

Biblo · May 05, 2008, 08:18:31 AM

Quote from: CrustClock;1301423eh ok... I know its a landmark film but I didn't think it directly influenced a new age of science fiction films like DillClock was saying. I can't think of any others that depict a future as realistic (rather than idealised/ dystopic) or feasible as 2001. I'd say Blade Runner was much more influential and was almost the opposite of it.

well i meant in terms of film making rather than overall theme or atmosphere. blade runner is more film noir anyway, with a science fiction setting

GreyClock · May 05, 2008, 08:28:06 AM

Quote from: LeekClock;1301439Star Wars ring a bell? The whole idea behind the realisation of the star wars universe was that it was meant to be lived-in. Space Odyssey just seems more believable because it was set in our own galaxy (and in the year 2001 ) - but Star Wars was made under a similar principle.

I would file Star Wars under Crust's "idealised" category.

Perhaps Minority Report is a better example?

LeekClock · May 05, 2008, 08:39:14 AM

Quote from: GreyClock;1301443I would file Star Wars under Crust's "idealised" category.

Perhaps Minority Report is a better example?

Oppressed by an evil empire, a whole religion wiped out, everything dusty and shitty and worn out - yeah sounds ideal!

Minority Report has nothing to do with space

Biblo · May 05, 2008, 09:06:42 AM

Quote from: LeekClock;1301445Oppressed by an evil empire, a whole religion wiped out, everything dusty and shitty and worn out - yeah sounds ideal!

Minority Report has nothing to do with space

well neither does blade runner?

LeekClock · May 05, 2008, 09:11:57 AM

Well that was your point not mine

HorseChestnutClock · May 05, 2008, 02:42:53 PM

I love that film. I saw it for the first time about 1 month ago.
It looked boring at first but then I got used to it. It was fun to watch those rockets and such floating in space.
But the ending still creeps me.

GreyClock · May 05, 2008, 03:43:27 PM

Quote from: LeekClock;1301445Oppressed by an evil empire, a whole religion wiped out, everything dusty and shitty and worn out - yeah sounds ideal!

Minority Report has nothing to do with space

Yeah but it's idealised because the good guys have magci powesrs.

Marlin Clock · May 05, 2008, 05:03:27 PM

Quote from: GreyClock;1301730Yeah but it's idealised because the good guys have magci powesrs.

Bad guys too.

Losperman · May 05, 2008, 05:43:47 PM

2001 is, in memory, an amazing film. But when I sat down to watch the Blu-Ray version I bought myself for Christmas, I have to agree that some of the parts seemed a bit too drawn out. The opening is a prime example. When I see scenes like that my first question is "what are they trying to tell me?" My next is usually "could they have said it with less?" The answer for that second question seemed to be "yes" in a few places in 2001. Long, drawn out shots are fine if they are used sparingly to really emphasize something or elicit some kind of tension. Kubrick must have had something else in mind with some of his scenes.

Still a great movie with some beautiful shots, though.

CrustClock · May 06, 2008, 03:25:34 AM

Star Wars has always been a fantasy film in my eyes, and Lucas has always said that he was influenced by Flash Gordon style matinee movies, not avant garde sci fi. I would fit it under the 'dystopic' category, although loosely.

I'm sure 2001 had huge influence, but, outside of cinematography, not much in the science fiction genre.

What I took exception to was DillClock's claim that "It is boring as all fuck, but you gotta give it respect for being the grandfather of all sci-fi films." and "If it wasn't for 2001 we would still have movies where giant alien bug men come to earth and destroy everything and kidnap all the women" which I think is overstating its effect on the genre.

I really liked 2001 even before learning any interpretations of it.

AlbinoClock · May 06, 2008, 01:15:01 PM

I liked 2001, but the beginning is agonizing. It takes so fucking long to get anywhere.

MonsterMunch · May 06, 2008, 04:16:19 PM

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