Your favorite President?

[Kodiakclock]

Teddy, for reasons apparently known to all present, and Carter, for knowing how to run a presidency without running a war.



And also the Civil War being about slavery was a lie, and the ensuing butthurt on the South's part is why we have the KKK. THANKS A BUNCH, LINCOLN.

carter fucked up in deregulating gas.

[camoclock is a great man]

Gotta go with Teddy

[Marlin Clock]

And also the Civil War being about slavery was a lie, and the ensuing butthurt on the South's part is why we have the KKK. THANKS A BUNCH, LINCOLN.

Don't you know history? Blame Rutherford B. Hayes for selling his soul to get the presidency by destroying Reconstruction in the South.

[patriotclock]

[Loki Clock]

carter fucked up in deregulating gas.

He did good things for gas consumption, though, like changing all the speed limits on the highways to five mph over the optimal speed for gas consumption (55 mph, with the speed limits all set to 60).

Don't you know history? Blame Rutherford B. Hayes for selling his soul to get the presidency by destroying Reconstruction in the South.

Lincoln still fucked state rights in the ass forever by starting the civil war in the first place.

[Marlin Clock]

He did good things for gas consumption, though, like changing all the speed limits on the highways to five mph over the optimal speed for gas consumption (55 mph, with the speed limits all set to 60).



Lincoln still fucked state rights in the ass forever by starting the civil war in the first place.

That was a joke, right?

[Loki Clock]

That was a joke, right?

The Civil War is painted as a conflict over the right to own slaves, but that wasn't the reason for secession. Slave ownership was the interest of the rich, the few. It was a luxury. The problem was the North trying to cripple the South's economic independence, mostly because the North was and is dependent on the South for it's food production. Thus, secession, followed by war.

[FluxCapacitorClock]

Andrew Jackson,  dueling in the White House's backyard? Hell yeah!

Yeah, if he wouldn't have slaughtered a bazillion indians because they wouldn't just hand over their land he'd be pretty awesome.

[AbsintheClock]

T.R was shot in the chest before giving an introductory speech on the Bull Moose party. He finished the entire two and a half hour speech, and only lost two pints of blood. He also ate 12 sunny side up eggs every day for dinner. He's hardcore.

[Kombucha]

The Civil War is painted as a conflict over the right to own slaves, but that wasn't the reason for secession. Slave ownership was the interest of the rich, the few. It was a luxury. The problem was the North trying to cripple the South's economic independence, mostly because the North was and is dependent on the South for it's food production. Thus, secession, followed by war.

This doesn't seem to be Lincoln's fault. Don't say he fucked the states in the ass just because he was part of a party that previously fucked the Southern states in the ass. Remember that the Confederate states announced their secession before he even took office, he didn't even have a chance to do anything to them that would cause secession, unless he did nsomething during his earlier political career, but I haven't read much about that because he wasn't very influential until the 1860 election.

[RomanClock]

Id have to be one of these:
Teddy, Lincoln, Washington, Reagen

[Marlin Clock]

The Civil War is painted as a conflict over the right to own slaves, but that wasn't the reason for secession. Slave ownership was the interest of the rich, the few. It was a luxury. The problem was the North trying to cripple the South's economic independence, mostly because the North was and is dependent on the South for it's food production. Thus, secession, followed by war.

Food production? The North had all it needed in the breadbaskets and cornfields of the Midwest.

It was most definitely the other way around, the North had all the industry and eventually a lack of that crippled them after secession.

And they seceded right after his election, not even giving him a chance. Hell, everyone knows the south fired the first shot, or do they not teach basic Civil War history where you live? I don't see how you could be more wrong.

[BehemothClock]

Andrew Jackson cuz he was a ballsy guy. Sure the indian thing was bad, but it took balls to tell millions of people to move hundreds of miles away from their homelands when he had an adopted son who was an indian.

[zl]

Andrew Jackson cuz he was a ballsy guy. Sure the indian thing was bad, but it took balls to tell millions of people to move hundreds of miles away from their homelands when he had an adopted son who was an indian.

Andrew Jackson's balls were disastrous

[Slurpee]

Loki dislikes Lincoln about as much as I love Teddy I don't think anything is going to change his mind.

[Marlin Clock]

Loki dislikes Lincoln about as much as I love Teddy I don't think anything is going to change his mind.

Wow, is he a redneck or something? I've never seen such ignorance.

[Solenoidclock]

Teddy. How can you not love the guy?



Lincoln is the runner up as the only president to be born into a log cabin built with their own two hands.

After that, Truman for knowing how to halt a war.

[Loki Clock]

Hey now. I can learn a lot about the Civil War in a year and still be bitter about it all the same. And I suppose if the first shot was fired by the South you can hardly blame the North for reacting with violence, but it's quite a bit difficult for half a nation to secede without any sort of fight, so you might even say it was bound to happen no matter who fired the first shot.

Don't say he fucked the states in the ass just because he was part of a party that previously fucked the Southern states in the ass. Remember that the Confederate states announced their secession before he even took office, he didn't even have a chance to do anything to them that would cause secession, unless he did nsomething during his earlier political career, but I haven't read much about that because he wasn't very influential until the 1860 election.

I'm not blaming Lincoln for making the South secede, I'm blaming him for reacting violently to the secession, which I consider to have been perfectly lawful.

[Marlin Clock]

I'm not blaming Lincoln for making the South secede, I'm blaming him for reacting violently to the secession, which I consider to have been perfectly lawful.

BUT HE DIDN'T.

So you know the south struck first, and you still say Lincoln reacted violently to the secession?

There's something wrong with you, boy.

[Chef Clock]

For me it's gotta be Nixon. His presidency was perfectly balanced between good and bad. Plus he's just interesting as hell to read about.

He,
Negotiated the first SALT treaty.
Opened China.
Ended the Vietnam War, ultimately.
Improved Soviet relations.

Yet,
Fucking Watergate.
Carrying the Vietnam War longer than necessary.
Being excessively secretive and paranoid.
Wiretapping on some journalists to plug leaks.




CLOCKCREW, who's your favorite?

I agree, Nixon was a fine president, even if he was hated by most for the watergate scandal. My second favorite president was Ford, because even after what Nixon did, he still pardoned him, and he was just like your average person.