Your favorite President?

[Moose Clock]

George W. Bush because I am not a retard who thinks he is dumb when he clearly has done more for this country than Clinton.

[TeddyBear]

I like Teddy Roosevelt.
 
Firstly, Teddy Bears are named for him. I fucking love Teddy Bears.
Secondly, parks programs and such, national parks are badass.
Thirdly, everyone else took the rest.

[Loki Clock]

BUT HE DIDN'T.

So you know the south struck first, and you still say Lincoln reacted violently to the secession?

There's something wrong with you, boy.

I said that's what I have against Lincoln. I left out the, "well I guess that changes things," because I had just said the North could be expected to retaliate, and I figured it would be obvious.

George W. Bush because I am not a retard who thinks he is dumb when he clearly has done more for this country than Clinton.

That's not a good reason for him to be your favorite, and while Clinton was shitty, Bush is the guy who invades countries, ignores the U.N., and does his best to demolish at least one essential freedom every three months he's in office. At least Clinton could handle the economy worth a fuck.

[Slurpee]

Bush is the guy who invades countries

kosovo

[ChickenClock]

George W. Bush because I am not a retard who thinks he is dumb when he clearly has done more for this country than Clinton.

like

[RomanClock]

Watergate: The Illegal investigation of an Illegal Prostitution Ring.

[FileCabinetClock]

teddy was fucking great

BUT HE DIDN'T.

So you know the south struck first, and you still say Lincoln reacted violently to the secession?

There's something wrong with you, boy.

"They drew first blood, not me."

[patriotclock]

The lack of love for Reagan is disgusting.

Bush I like as well, by far the funniest President.

[Marlin Clock]

kosovo

Somalia too.

Basically Clinton was just as bad as bush in that respect but was more of a pussy when it came to deploying forces.
He made the entire nation look weak in the eyes of the Muslim world for pulling out of the corrupt Somalia for just Blackhawk Down.

[Moose Clock]

That's not a good reason for him to be your favorite, and while Clinton was shitty, Bush is the guy who invades countries, ignores the U.N., and does his best to demolish at least one essential freedom every three months he's in office. At least Clinton could handle the economy worth a fuck.

Bush didn't ask for 911 nor did he ask for China to start using more resources that caused oil prices and consumption to sky rocket. Clinton didn't do shit to help the economy, it was on a natural upturn from the plans Ronald Reagan put in place. The U.N can suck Americas cock, we made it and we can ignore it if we want. They never have nor ever will do the right thing because they are a sorry excuse of a world organization. If you think Bush is bad, wait until Obama gets us all killed.

[beebles]

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[Loki Clock]

kosovo

At least 86,000 Iraqi civilians dead vs. 2,000 Serbian civilians dead (according to the Yugoslavian government, other reports saying 500).

Somalia

H.W. started the Somalia conflict with the U.N., and there was casualty total of around 1,000 for Somalia, 19 for the U.S..

Bush didn't ask for 911

You might have been under that rock, hiding out with Saddam, but the rest of us know that the Iraq war has nothing to do with the Taliban and thus 9/11, and that the Bush administration received several warnings about the possibility of a 9/11 attack on the World Trade Centers.

nor did he ask for China to start using more resources that caused oil prices and consumption to sky rocket.

When all else fails, blame the Chinese! Damn China, always using stuff!

Clinton didn't do shit to help the economy, it was on a natural upturn from the plans Ronald Reagan put in place.

No, it's not like he payed off our several trillion dollar debts that Bush went right ahead and set back in place as soon as he got into office, no siree.

The U.N can suck Americas cock

This is why the rest of the world hates us.

wait until Obama gets us all killed.

I have no reason to think he's actually going to do anything to get us all killed, so, sorry, goes under the liberal paranoia file!

[RomanClock]

So guys about Nixon.

Watergate: The Illegal investigation of an Illegal Prostitution Ring.

But yea. And Loki, things happen that aren't the presidents fault. Why don't we blame Wilson for killing everyone in WWI or Roosevelt for WWII?
And why didn't Europe react to Hitler sooner? They had all the info right in their hands! Its called Mein Kampf.
PS: America basically created the UN
twice... I wonder why the first one failed?

[RomanClock]

So guys about Nixon.

Watergate: The Illegal investigation of an Illegal Prostitution Ring.

But yea. And Loki, things happen that aren't the presidents fault. Why don't we blame Wilson for killing everyone in WWI or Roosevelt for WWII? And why didn't Europe react to Hitler sooner? They had all the info right in their hands! Its called Mein Kampf

[Moose Clock]

At least 86,000 Iraqi civilians dead vs. 2,000 Serbian civilians dead (according to the Yugoslavian government, other reports saying 500).



H.W. started the Somalia conflict with the U.N., and there was casualty total of around 1,000 for Somalia, 19 for the U.S..



You might have been under that rock, hiding out with Saddam, but the rest of us know that the Iraq war has nothing to do with the Taliban and thus 9/11, and that the Bush administration received several warnings about the possibility of a 9/11 attack on the World Trade Centers.



When all else fails, blame the Chinese! Damn China, always using stuff!



No, it's not like he payed off our several trillion dollar debts that Bush went right ahead and set back in place as soon as he got into office, no siree.



This is why the rest of the world hates us.



I have no reason to think he's actually going to do anything to get us all killed, so, sorry, goes under the liberal paranoia file!

There is no proof that the government recieved exact warnings of an attack, and there is proof that Israel destroyed an Iraqi uranium enrichment facility. China and India are the two main causes for the price of oil and other resources in the world, they are using more and more while the supply stays the same. No one should praise Clinton, it wasn't him that paid off the debts, it was the governments plans at fixing the economy. He just rode through it acting like a hero, telling lies about how the democrats fixed the economy when they didn't. And if you want to talk about someone who could have prevented 911, talk about Clinton, he had a chance to capture Bin Laden but said no.  Obama will probably do something similar.

[Loki Clock]

And Loki, things happen that aren't the presidents fault. Why don't we blame Wilson for killing everyone in WWI or Roosevelt for WWII?

If you can use Somalia and Kosovo as pock marks on Clinton's presidency, I can use the Iraq war for one on Bush. You can't discount my argument without discounting theirs.

Gonna reply to Moose later.

[RomanClock]

If you can use Somalia and Kosovo as pock marks on Clinton's presidency, I can use the Iraq war for one on Bush. You can't discount my argument without discounting theirs.

Gonna reply to Moose later.

I didn't say anything about Somalia or Kosovo :\

[Loki Clock]

I didn't say anything about Somalia or Kosovo :\

Others did, though, and they're using it against Clinton. If that counts against Clinton Iraq counts against Bush.

You also forgot Rawanda. We pretty much stood back and watched that happen.

Was gonna mention this, actually.

[AMPEEEM]

Wow, a lot of you seem to have a really bad grip on reality

[Quickstop]

Seriously, there are so many wars and such fought "for the liberation of so and so oppressed people"

And when genuine oppression and murder is going on, we sit on our hands and don't do anything, maybe pass resolutions "condemning" it, but really in general just using "justice" as an excuse to pursue our own interests, it's absolutely appalling.

And I don't just mean my country, though we are certainly incredibly guilty in this regard, but I have yet to see any country truly work to wipe out poverty, starvation, or earnestly use their ill begotten military might to actually try and stop the brutality perpetrated in countries unable to stop it themselves.

If it was really about liberating the Iraqi people, or liberating the Afghani people, or something like that, why isn't it that something concrete was done in that regard before our personal interests got involved?

If we really cared so much about things like that anyway, why is it that we do nothing on things like Rawanda and Darfur? And if we care about the welfare of others so much, why do we put in so much to bomb them but not nearly as much to build the infrastructure and security for them so that we don't have to bomb them?

It simply doesn't make sense to me and never has.

Agreed.